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John 17

'What will be' continues until WE change it!
 
 

John 17 from 2000 years ago.  

Profiles direct/daisy chain translations... to 100% interconnected 'Dots'.  

 Webpage updated April13/10

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                                Contents                                               

  Section                           Brief Description                                         Date  

Introduction                               Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  

Jesus Prays for Himself 

  • 17.1                                           Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.2                                           Neutral                                                                                    
  • 17.3                                           Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.4                                           Neutral                                                                                    
  • 17.5                                           Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  •  

Jesus Prays for His Disciples

  • 17.6                                           Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.7                                           Neutral                                                                                    
  • 17.8                                           Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.9                                           Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.10                                         Neutral                                                                                    
                                                                    
  • 17.11                                         Neutral                                                                                    
  • 17.12                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.13                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.14                                         Neutral                                                                              
  • 17.15                                         Neutral                                                                              
  • 17.16                                         Neutral                                                                                    
  • 17.17                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.18                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.19                                         Neutral                                                                                    
  •  

    Jesus Prays for All Believers

                                                             
  • 17.20                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.21                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.22                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.23                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.24                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                  
  • 17.25                                         Consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels                     
  • 17.26                                         Neutral                                                                                 

Summary                                   Daisy chain translation is highly suspect                                 

 

 

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Introduction:  

Using a Love'ONE ness', and vibrations viewpoints, while looking at both direct and daisy chain translations...

Sources:  Direct translation from Aramaic to English...  http://www.aramaicpeshitta.com/AramaicNTtools/Peshittainterlinear/4_John/Yukhnch17.pdf
                  Daisy chain translation from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English...
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NIV

John 1 (New International Version)

1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
2  He was with God in the beginning. 
3  Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 

 

Daisy chain translation of John 1.1, 2, & 3 sets up 'separation' thru "Through him".  

Direct translation of John 1.1, 2, & 3 mentions "one (thing)", which is consistent with 'ONE ness'.  

This is the same conclusion using another direct translation in The ONE Creator is the ONE Creation, Section 26, Home webpage.  

  

The next 27 chapters/sections basically confirm Love, 'ONE ness' and vibrations.  Very difficult concepts to explain/share over 2000 years ago.  

  

  Preamble

 

  1  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.1:  

1 thru 5   Jesus Prays for Himself

1  After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.  

Daisy chain translation of John 17.1:  

  • words, 24
  • separation
  • "Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you"

  

 

Direct translation of John 17.1:  

  • words, 28
  • low vibrations
  • We are all here as caretakers of Nature.  Because of low vibrations, we do not have the "eyes to see, ears to hear, or Heart to know.

  

  2  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.2:  

2  For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.  

Daisy chain translation of John 17.2:  

  • words, 21
  • separation
  • "For you granted him authority over all people"

  

 

Direct translation of John 17.2:  

  • words, 2
  • neutral
  • not enough words

  

  3  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.3:  

3  Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.  

Daisy chain translation of John 17.3:  

  • words, 21
  • separation
  • "whom you have sent"

  

 

Direct translation of John 17.3:  

  • words, 29
  • 'ONE ness'
  • God is eternal, know that you are therefore eternal (because you are part of God)

     

  4  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.4:  

4  I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do.  5  And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.  

Daisy chain translation of John 17.4:  

  • words, 16
  • separation
  • "you gave me to do"

  

 

 Direct translation of John 17.4:  

  • words, 40
  • neutral
  • 'alone' also means "all one"

      

  5  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.5:  

5  And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.  

 Daisy chain translation of John 17.5:  

  • words, 19
  • separation
  • "glorify me in your presence"

  

1 thru 5   Jesus Prays for Himself, Daisy Chain translation

  • words, 101
  • 5 of 5, separation

  

Direct translation of John 17.5:  

  • words, 31
  • higher vibrations
  • "to the sons of your name I have made known"

  

1 thru 5   Jesus Prays for Himself, Direct translation

  • words, 130
  • 3 of 5, consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels
  • 2 of 5, neutral
  • 29 more words, implying omissions from original teachings

  

  6  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.6:  

6 thru 19   Jesus Prays for His Disciples

6  "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.6:  

  • words, 28
  • separation
  • "you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word"

 

 

 Direct translation of John 17.6:  

  • words, 21
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "and to me they were yours"

  

 

  7  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.7:  

7  Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 

Daisy chain translation of John 17.7:  

  • words, 12
  • separation
  • "everything you have given me comes from you"

   

 

Direct translation of John 17.7:  

  • words, 9
  • neutral
  • not clear

 

  

  8  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.8:  

8   For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 

Daisy chain translation of John 17.8:  

  • words, 29
  • separation
  • "For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them"

 

 

 

 Direct translation of John 17.8:  

  • words, 48
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "and they know <it is> not I beseech for them and <I>"

  

   9  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.9:  

9   I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 

Daisy chain translation of John 17.9:  

  • words, 12
  • separation
  • "I pray for them. I am not praying for the world"

 

 

 Direct translation of John 17.9:  

  • words, 28
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "the world for is yours"

 

  

  10  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.10:  

10   All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.10:  

  • words, 19
  • separation
  • "And glory has come to me through them"

 

Direct translation of John 17.10:    

  • words, 6
  • neutral
  • not clear

 

  

  11  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.11:  

11   l will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.11:  

  • words, 46
  • separation
  • "so that they may be one as we are one"

 

Direct translation of John 17.11:    

  • words, 47
  • neutral
  • not clear

 

  

   12  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.12:  

12   While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.12:  

  • words, 34
  • separation
  • "None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled"

  

Direct translation of John 17.12:    

  • words, 52
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "we (are) as one"
  •   
  •    

  13  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.13:  

13   I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.13:  

  • words, 31
  • separation
  • "I am coming to you now"

  

"

Direct translation of John 17.13:    

  • words, 33
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "your word to them I have given"

   

  14  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.14:  

14   I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 

Daisy chain translation of John 17.14:  

  • words, 27
  • separation
  • "they are not of the world any more than I am of the world"

Direct translation of John 17.14:    

  • words, 40
  • neutral
  • 'alone' also means "all one"

  

  15  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.15:  

15   My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.15:  

 

 

 Direct translation of John 17.15:    

    • words, 21
    • separation
    • "the evil one"
    • words, 6
    • neutral
    • not enough words

 

  16  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.16:  

16   They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.16:  

    • words, 13
    • separation
    • "not of the world"

 

Direct translation of John 17.16:    

  • words, 9
  • neutral
  • normal prayer... no separation... no 'ONE ness'

  16  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.17:  

17   Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.17:  

    • words, 9
    • separation
    • "your word"

 

Direct translation of John 17.17:    

  • words, 12
  • 'ONE ness'
  • addressing Heartcentric versus egocentric

  

  18  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.18:  

18   As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.

Daisy chain translation of John 17.18:  

  • words, 14
  • separation
  • "As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world"

 

Direct translation of John 17.18:    

  • words, 39
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "I have sent <I> also into the world you have sent"

  

  

  19  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.19:  

19  For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

 Daisy chain translation of John 17.19:  

  • words, 12
  • separation
  • "I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified"

  

6 thru 19   Jesus Prays for His Disciples, Daisy Chain translation

  • words, 307
  • 14 of 14, separation

 

Direct translation of John 17.19:  

  • words, 9
  • neutral
  • not clear

  

6 thru 19   Jesus Prays for His Disciples, Direct translation

  • words, 366
  • 7 of 14, consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels
  • 7 of 14, neutral
  • 59 more words, implying omissions from original teachings

    

  20  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.20:  

20 thru 26   Jesus Prays for All Believers

20  My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,

 Daisy chain translation of John 17.20:  

  • words, 20
  • separation
  • "who will believe in me"

 

  •  

 Direct translation of John 17.20:    

  • words, 27
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "you <are> as one may be that all of them"

    

  21  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.21:  

21  that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

 Daisy chain translation of John 17.21:  

  • words, 36
  • separation
  • "just as you are in me and I am in you"

 

Direct translation of John 17.21:

  • words, 25
  • 'ONE ness'
  • "may be one in us"

    

  22  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.22:  

22  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:

 Daisy chain translation of John 17.22:  

  • words, 19
  • separation
  • "that they may be one as we are one"

 

  • Direct translation of John 17.22

  •        .  words, 33
           .  'ONE ness'
           .  "may believe as one"

      23  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

    John 17.23:  

    23  I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

     Daisy chain translation of John 17.23:  

  •   
  •        .  words, 33
           .  separation
           .  " I in them and you in me"

  •  

 

  • Direct translation of John 17.23

  •        .  words, 43
           .  'ONE ness'
           .  "we are one"

    

  24  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.24:  

24  Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

 Daisy chain translation of John 17.24:  

  • words, 36
  • separation
  • "the glory you have given me"

 

 

  • Direct translation of John 17.24

  •        .  words, 39
           .  'ONE ness'
           .  "not just my Father"... implying everyone's Father

  •   

      25  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

    John 17.25:  

    25  Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me.

     Daisy chain translation of John 17.25:  

    • words, 20
    • separation
    • "though the world does not know you, I know you"

 

  • Direct translation of John 17.25

  •        .  words, 31
           .  'ONE ness'
           .  "that <you> know"... Father could not know the world if Father was separate

   

  26  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 

John 17.26:  

26  I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

 Daisy chain translation of John 17.26:  

  • words, 35
  • separation
  • "I have made you known to them"

20 thru 26   Jesus Prays for All Believers, Daisy Chain translation

  • words, 199
  • 7 of 7, separation

 

Direct translation of John 17.26:  

  • words, 21
  • neutral
  • not clear

  

20 thru 26   Jesus Prays for All Believers, Direct translation

  • words, 219
  • 6 of 7, consistent with Love, 'ONE ness', vibration levels
  • 1 of 7, neutral
  • 20 more words, implying omissions from original teachings

 

 

   

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Summary:  

1 thru 26   Three prayers

  • Daisy Chain Translation:
      
  • words, 607
  • 26 of 26, separation
  • Clear manipulation and/or true meaning lost in translation
      
  • Direct Translation:
      
  • words. 715... 108 additional words in the Direct Translation...
  • ... confirming manipulation and/or lack of understanding...
  • ... thus omissions from original teachings

Daisy Chain translation, very different culture, and decades after Jesus tought before written documentation took place, causes the present day information within John 17 to be highly suspect.

 

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